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St. Mary’s Preview

By Adam
@ajmangum

Sports weeks like this are few and far between. BYU starts its first (of many?) seasons as a basketball team in the WCC, and what better way to start that affiliation than with a big game on the road against St. Mary’s, one of the Big Three this season in WCC basketball (BYU and Gonzaga being the others). And of course, a bowl game and a chance for 10 wins and a top 25 ranking for the football team.

But this post is really about the basketball team and a big game against St. Mary’s. Though this doesn’t compare to last season’s thrilling match-ups against San Diego State (both teams being ranked in the top 10), there is a lot of appeal for this one. Though neither the Cougars or the Gaels* are ranked, I think there’s a chance both are top 25 teams in a few weeks and both could be dangerous NCAA Tournament teams.

* Check out Wikipedia for a definition of the term Gaels. Still getting used to these mascots in the WCC. Yeah, Gonzaga is typical and boring with Bulldogs, but you have the Gaels, the Dons, the Waves, the Toreros, and the Pilots. Awesome.

I think the WCC is going to be very interesting at the top, with Gonzaga and St. Mary’s as formidable obstacles to the Cougars winning the WCC title in their first season. But who’s the best team so far? Depends on who you ask. With about a dozen games in the book for each school, the computers seem to be divided on who’s best. Pomeroy, Sagarin and RPI are not really that close to each other on these three (see below). I also included a non-scientific average of the three rankings.

Pomeroy Sagarin RPI Average
BYU 20 28 62 37
St. Mary’s 27 18 42 29
Gonzaga 29 41 11 27

What does this tell us? That until these three teams play each other, pick a computer ranking to tell which one is better and I’ll pick another. Pick a marquee win or a close loss, and I’ll pick another.

I think the order is BYU, St. Mary’s and then Gonzaga. But Mark Few is a fantastic coach, and there’s no reason the Bulldogs couldn’t become the best team in the conference when all is said and done.

Getting back to the game against St. Mary’s, the top two scorers for the Gaels are 6-6 senior forward Rob Jones (14.0) and 6-4 Australian junior point guard Matthew Dellavedova (13.9), who also leads the team in assists (6.4). The match-up between the experienced Dellavedova (in his third year running the team) and the uber-talented Matt Carlino could be the most fun part of watching this game.

Jones leads the team in rebounding (10.6), and helps anchor a very efficient offense that thrives on crisp passing and execution. They are not particularly big, and Brandon Davies should be a match-up problem. Expect to see several different Gaels guard him throughout the game, with a mix of smaller defenders who will try to annoy him when he touches the ball.

Neither of these teams play fast, and both teams do a very good job of clamping down on defense. But the Cougars have struggled defensively in the first half in each of their last two games against D-1 foes. If they do that again St. Mary’s, coming back will not be as easy.

Despite the smallish size, the Gaels are a terrific defensive rebounding team, and have guards who can rebound well. They do not turn the ball over often, so the Cougars will need to be very efficient on offense. They’re not a great 3-point shooting team (just 34.0%), but they chuck it up a lot (11th most in the country), so the perimeter defense will be key.

On a recent podcast, I predicted that BYU would lose this game. And while I think it will be close, upon closer examination, the Cougars are a tough match-up for St. Mary’s. BYU is more athletic at several key positions, and Davies is a problem the Gaels don’t have a good answer for. If the junior forward can stay out of foul trouble (a big if, I know), he should dominate.

But even if Davies struggles, Noah Hatsock and Jones cancel out, as should Carlino and Dellavedova. If Brock Zylstra and others can outplay their St. Mary’s counterparts, the Cougars should be able to steal their first conference game in the WCC.

Prediction: BYU 74, St. Mary’s 71

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Episode 49: Cougar Hoops Optimism

In a wonderful Holiday edition of the podcast (and by Holiday edition, I mean it was recorded during the Holidays), Adam and Matt talk about the current state of Cougar hoops. They both express a lot of optimism about the remainder of the season, possible breaking into irrational exuberance. They answer #TweetBag questions and speculate about the destination of Jake Heaps. Matt also gets another case of the giggles. This and so much more available here and on iTunes.

 

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Podcast 46: Greg Wrubell; Hawaii game preview

In a fantastic episode 46, Adam is joined by KSL’s Greg Wrubell, who helps Adam break down what actually happened between BYU and the Big East. Greg also offers his perspective on the men’s basketball team and its young season. Matt comes on after Greg to talk hoops, preview the Hawaii game, and to answer an excellent collection of Tweetbag questions. All this and continued banter about Dr Pepper Ten available here and on iTunes.

 

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Podcast 44: Jeff Chatman, lousy football opponents, and Cougar hoops

Episode 44 is action pack and its dulcet tones are sure to make you happy. Adam begins with Matt. They discuss the thrashing of Idaho and preview the future thrashing of New Mexico State. They also talk a little about the men’s basketball team and they’re opening season loss to Utah State. Adam is then joined by BYU basketball legend Jeff Chatman. They discuss his career at BYU, his decision to come to BYU, his son’s decision to come to BYU, and talk about football as well. All of this and much more on a podcast that is sure to be more exciting than listening to nothing at all. Available, as always, here and on iTunes.

 

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Podcast 43: Football chatter; Basketball preview

In the latest (and possibly greatest) Rise & Shout podcast, Adam joins forces with Matt to talk about the possibility of BYU joining the Big East, and Adam goes on a rant about San Diego State. They discuss Bronco’s recent forthcoming-ness in press conferences. They play answering machine. And they preview the upcoming basketball season. So much shallow analysis, that it almost seems deep. Available to download here or on iTunes.

 

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Podcast 42: Bye Week Chatter and Hoops

Adam is joined by brother co-host Matt to discuss all things BYU sports. They answer your questions from the TweetBag, including discussing Team Riley vs. Team Jake. They play America’s new favorite podcast segment, Answering Machine, and Matt gets caught up in a case of the giggles. They conclude with talking about the upcoming hoops season. All this and a ton more available here or for download on iTunes.

 

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Podcast 41: TCU Preview

In Episode 41, Adam and co-host Matt dive into the conference expansion stuff, and Matt reveals why he is staying away from Twitter. They play a game called answering machine and likely tick off Jake Heaps and Gary Patterson. They preview the game against TCU (send angry emails and tweets to Matt). They also briefly discuss the basketball team. All this and more is available right here or on iTunes.

 

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Podcast 40: Jay Drew, Mid-Season Report Cards

In Episode 40, Adam is joined by Salt Lake Tribune beat writer Jay Drew to talk about conference expansion, the current state of Cougar football, and whether Brandon Davies owes any of us an explanation. Matt then makes a triumphant return to the podcast to help Adam hand out mid-term report cards and to answer your questions from the TweetBag. Nonsense includes the Carson Palmer trade and the continuing debate about America’s best burger. As always, listen here or download on iTunes.

 

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Independence: Permanent future or flexible tool?

By Adam Mangum
adam@loyalcougars.com
Twitter: @ajmangum

As I wrote yesterday, BYU fandom was greatly stirred by the recent events regarding Texas A&M’s attempted defection to the SEC. Many are supporters of independence and see the Big 12 as a sinking ship not worth boarding, while others saw this as opportunity to get a seat at the BCS table.

I’ve read tweets and talked with a lot of BYU fans who seem to think that football independence is the ideal state for BYU football. Now before you laugh that group off the stage, consider these points. I don’t actually agree with them, but the first two have some merit.

  • BYU is not getting a BCS invite any time soon. BYU has been trying to get into a big conference, off and on, for most of my lifetime. Earlier ‘attempts’ to get into the Big 12 or Pac 10 failed. Though I don’t agree, I think history could teach us that BYU (for myriad reasons) is never going to be joining one of the BCS conferences. If that’s true, then independence is better than the alternative, which is joining a conference like the one we just left.
  • Joining a BCS conference could actually reduce exposure. One of the reasons given for BYU’s move toward independence was exposure for the program and the university. Holmoe & Co. have certainly delivered that, with a slew of games on ESPN and national distribution when necessary on BYUtv. You could argue that joining a conference could actually reduce exposure. For example, how many nationally televised games would BYU have if it joined the Big 12? Impossible to say for sure, but likely less than the current agreement with ESPN. I agree with the sentiment of this argument, but my understanding is that the Big 12′s agreement with the Fox regional networks expires after the 2014 season; national distribution would likely be key to a new TV deal for the Big 12. Regardless, joing a BCS conference would likely reduce the number of nationally televised games, at least initially. And like the Big 10 and Pac 12, national distribution can be, at least partially, solved through a conference network.
  • BYU is not going to ditch the WCC so quickly. We just joined the WCC, and we wouldn’t back out so fast (or so the argument goes). I don’t know the details of BYU’s agreement with the WCC, but I believe it was designed, from BYU’s point of view, to be temporary.  I would be shocked if Holmoe didn’t have a plan to quickly exit if BYU needed to.

So I’m not saying the ‘we’re better off indepedent’ argument is invalid. I disagree, but I see where people are coming from.

But let’s be absolutely clear about something: nothing Tom Holmoe or anyone else has boxed BYU into perpetual football independence. I think the administration is open to joining a stable, BCS conference but are prepared for extended life as an independent.

And that’s exactly as it should be.

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The NCAA Should Just Start Over

By Adam Mangum
adam@loyalcougars.com
@ajmangum (Twitter)

I would like to blow up the NCAA and start over.

I realize that I’m in the minority. My rants against the BCS and the NCAA usually fall upon deaf ears when I talk to other college football fans, and especially to other BYU fans. With independence looming and coming off one of the best basketball seasons in BYU history, most BYU fans are not going to spend a lot of fan energy thinking about revamping the NCAA. Me? I can’t stop thinking about.

Whether it’s the atrocious cartel of the BCS, or bowl game corruption, or coaches who preach moral behavior to their players and then scam and cheat, the NCAA exists as one of the most profound and disturbing paradoxes of modern sports. An amateur athletic organization that is supposed to be about education and value, but at the top levels of football and men’s basketball is really about money and winning, similar to its professional counterparts.

This post is not about paying players. Writers at ESPN looked at that topic weeks ago, and I don’t think it’s the answer. And it doesn’t fix my biggest issues with the NCAA: fairness, transparency and corruption (though paying players might make the sports ‘less corruptible’).

Today I will deal with fairness of the NCAA Football Bowl Subdivision, or as we used to call it, D-I.

The BCS Conferences Are A Joke
“The SEC is awesome. No other conference can touch it.” “The Big Ten plays a brand of football that would wear down mid-majors.” “The Big East is a conference created by the gods.”

Ok, so you’ve never heard the third statement, but you’ve likely heard variations of the first two applied to the Pac 10 (now Pac 12), Big Ten, SEC and Big 12. The argument goes that if you put a successful mid-major like Boise State, TCU or BYU into one of those conferences, they’d be mid-level teams at best, crushed under the weight of BCS conference schedule.

Let’s say that’s true, that TCU couldn’t hang with the SEC. They certainly will do fine in the Big East. They would be a top team in the ACC. And I think they’d fare very well in the Pac 12, Big Ten or Big 12. But let’s say TCU really is a cupcake who would not challenge for the any of the BCS conference titles. My response: so what?

What gives Vanderbilt, Indiana, Arizona State, Duke and others the right to suck 9 out of 10 years and put together a decent season every once in a while? Tradition? Academics? Please. The conferences would have you believe that the mid-majors can’t compete with them. That might be true, but it’s true that most of the conferences are dominated by a handful of teams. TCU or BYU would have a much better chance at sustained success in the Big 12 than Baylor, but they don’t get the chance.

The BCS is a corrupt and evil entity
OK, maybe evil is laying it on a little thick. But if you don’t believe the BCS is a bogus system, you’re wrong. There’s an excellent book, “Death to the BCS: The Definitive Case Against the Bowl Championship Series”, that does an excellent job laying this all out. Suffice it to say, this is a self-perpetuating system that protects a small handful of schools and keeps most the money in their hands. And it protects schools like Baylor and Indiana who have less of a shot than Boise State at making a BCS bowl.

We need a playoff
Please don’t start with the, “But a playoff wouldn’t work” crap. In the “Death to the BCS” and other places, plans for realistic and profitable playoffs have been outlined. The evidence is irrefutable that a playoff could work and that it is likely more profitable for the NCAA as a whole. But it would likely reduce the total revenue for the top schools. If every other sport in America can do a playoff, I’m sure the geniuses at the NCAA could figure it out.

The one argument I understand in favor of the bowls is this one: it might be a better system for fans of teams that don’t win consistently. BYU was 6-6 this season, but still played a game in December. As a fan, I watched the game and was excited about it. A 12- or 16-team playoff would shrink the postseason a lot, and many fans who enjoy seeing their team make a bowl during an off year would miss that opportunity. (Keep in mind that most schools lose money on bowl games, so it’s not about the schools making money.)

But that’s easily solved: keep the bowls. Yes, the big bowls would morph into playoffs as potential sites for the final games, but the smaller bowls could continue to exist. ESPN wants the programming in December, and, as a BYU fan, would you have been less likely to watch the New Mexico Bowl because a playoff was happening? Heck, I watch BYU in the NIT. We’d all still watch out teams play in the toilet bowls.

The Solution: Blow it all up
A playoff would be a tremendous first step, but it only mitigates the problem. Whatever system was devised, the top conferences would still take most playoff spots. How could that be changed? By disbanding all the conferences and starting over.

It’s an incredibly radical idea. But this is how it would work:

  • Take all 120 FBS teams and divide them evenly into 10 conferences/divisions of 12 teams
  • Parity would be the first criteria. The 120 teams would be divided evenly as far as the strength of the program. This would not be done solely upon team performance over the past 3-5 seasons, but also by judging the strength of the school’s resources and fan base.
  • Geography would be the second criteria. Conferences would be designed geographically as much as is possible while fulfilling the first criteria of parity. This would minimize conference travel costs.
  • Traditional rivalries would be the third criteria. Where at all possible, traditional school rivalries would be maintained. That being said, it order to maintain the first criteria, it is inevitable that some rivalries may have to become non-conference rivalries.
  • The new conferences would them each get one automatic big into a 16-team playoff, with 6 at-large bids determined by a committee, similar to the NCAA basketball tournament. Each school would now have equal access to the postseason.

I know, you think I’m a crazy dreamer. I realize this little proposal of mine has less of a chance of happening than Lindsay Lohan finishing her degree in Provo. But it should happen. The NCAA should make it happen. TCU, Utah, Boise State and BYU should be fighting for an equitable system, not just a seat at the big kids table.

How would this effect BYU?
In my plan, no school could be independent. I realize that’s unrealistic with the TV deal of Notre Dame, but that’s how it should be. BYU would be assigned to a conference like everyone else.

I know a lot of BYU fans like independence, not being tied to some lousy conference that creates a lousy TV deal. The prospect of rotating through different BCS schools on the schedule is fun. But imagine BYU in a 12-team conference with the following (and I’m totally making this up): USC, UCLA, Utah, BYU, Boise State, Idaho, UNLV, Nevada, New Mexico, New Mexico State, Colorado and Colorado State. Wouldn’t that be cool? Couldn’t BYU win that now and again?And every conference would have a similar feel, and it would be a huge lift to programs like Idaho who would have home games against some awesome teams and would occasionally be on national TV.

I think a system like this would be more equitable, more fun, and would make things more interesting. I know it’s crazy, but I believe college football would be better with something like this in place.

“you may say I’m a dreamer
but I’m not the only one
i hope some day you’ll join us
and the world will be as one”

Adam is a writer and founder of LoyalCougars.com. His favorite BYU football players include Robbie Bosco, Glen Kozlowski, Erig Drage, Rob Morris and Brandon Doman. He also enjoys candlelit dinners. Adam has been blogging about BYU sports for several years, and was a sportswriter for the Provo Daily Herald many years ago.

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